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    Default Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

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    As the Borg used to say, “resistance is futile.” There really is no other way to sum up our current and eventual transition to UltraHD/4K than that. Fighting the changeover to UltraHD/4K is akin to trying to reverse the direction of a cyclone by blowing at it through a drinking straw. It isn’t going to happen. How do I know, I’m one of those who used to rally against UltraHD/4K.

    It’s not that I’m a “blind” lover of all things UltraHD/4K -I’m not -but I’m also not in denial about the reality of the situation. I understand, like most of you, that many of UltraHD/4K’s claims, specifically with regards to the consumer market, are dubious at best and outright confusing at worst. But what does heaping so much vitriol and hyperbole at the “problem” get anyone? Nothing. Nor will it stop or change the roll out of what’s to come. We’re not going to “save HD” and turn back the UltraHD/4K invaders with so-called truths or heightened emotional opinion. In reality, we only stand to drive a wedge further into the discussion and create for grater confusion that has the potential to drive would-be enthusiasts away.

    If a consumer wishes to buy an UltraHD/4K display, for better or worse, it’s our job as educators to ensure they get the most from their experience. I’m not suggesting all UltraHD/4K displays should get a “pass,” but damning them all because it’s some folks’ cross to bear is absurd. Moreover, these early sets make a case for other features that many of these same people have been saying consumers need or should have -features such as better 4K upscaling. Yet if all UltraHD/4K sets are but a waste of space, what does that say about their endorsement of products that aim to support these same displays?

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    I say bring on Ultra HD. I just want the prices to be more realistic!
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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Is anyone actually against 4k? I think the only point is that it isn't quite ready yet. But no one would be against superior resolution, would they?

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Quote Originally Posted by SpHeRe31459 View Post
    Is anyone actually against 4k? I think the only point is that it isn't quite ready yet. But no one would be against superior resolution, would they?
    Some folks at CNET definitely have it out for 4K.

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Im not rallying against it, but at this point I could care less about it.

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    If the consumer wants it, it will sell, and be successful. Personally I see no need for 4K right now. I think CNET's articles covering this subject is less a vendetta against 4k and more an education of the consumer about the realities of resolution. Very similar in tone and purpose to their articles on expensive versus cheap HDMI Cables.

    My opinion is that CNET has it right on the nose, and that 4k has no real advantage in the home at standard screen sizes and viewing distances.

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    Whatever you may now think about 4K, it's coming. Here's an article about el cheapo 4K TV's from China. Apparantly, China plans to flood the display market w/ultra cheap TV's for ultra4K. Quality on these TV's will be questionable, and the uninformed public that buys them may be left with a severe case of buyer's remorse. Thus, putting a bad rep on 4K by reputable TV Mfger's. To help the public with their purchasing decisions, standards from THX & others are being implemented to educate people. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post
    Whatever you may now think about 4K, it's coming. Here's an article about el cheapo 4K TV's from China. Apparantly, China plans to flood the display market w/ultra cheap TV's for ultra4K. Quality on these TV's will be questionable, and the uninformed public that buys them may be left with a severe case of buyer's remorse. Thus, putting a bad rep on 4K by reputable TV Mfger's. To help the public with their purchasing decisions, standards from THX & others are being implemented to educate people. Good luck with that.

    http://www.display-central.com/free-...c82ee-10840477
    While I have little interest in 4k currently, I have no doubt it will become readily available at multiple price levels over the next couple of years. It is still am open question as to how the market reacts to it. My opinion is that TV manufacturers are trying to find some feature or capability that will induce consumers to upgrade or buy new TVs. 3D seems to have been met with lukewarm enthusiasm by consumers, so CE companies are off trying to find that golden goose, thus the push for 4k.

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    If my 65" VT60 can last me a few years, the next set I buy for my theater room should be an 80" high end 4K set.
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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Quote Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post
    Whatever you may now think about 4K, it's coming. Here's an article about el cheapo 4K TV's from China. Apparantly, China plans to flood the display market w/ultra cheap TV's for ultra4K. Quality on these TV's will be questionable, and the uninformed public that buys them may be left with a severe case of buyer's remorse. Thus, putting a bad rep on 4K by reputable TV Mfger's. To help the public with their purchasing decisions, standards from THX & others are being implemented to educate people. Good luck with that.

    http://www.display-central.com/free-...c82ee-10840477
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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    I think motion resolution is the single biggest overlooked factor, what is the point of these cheap 4k panels if the motion resolution can't even keep up with first generation 1080p plasmas? hell the F8500 has more trouble than my 50PH9UK with certain material which has me scratching my head

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    I have here some files from Samsung Native 4K Content and from Sony Native 4K that are installed inside of the Sony's Media Streamer.

    For Example, for Sony Material, there 2 files per demonstration video:

    20_FIFA_Conferederations_Cup_Brazil_2013.md5_sev (79bytes) file

    * If you open this file with text editor it has this info inside:

    09e7cdf6c300d2d26068b17a581b7bc1 *20_FIFA_Conferederations_Cup_Brazil_2013.sev

    and the main video file with filename 20_FIFA_Conferederations_Cup_Brazil_2013.sev (2.59GB file)

    Does anyone have any idea on how can i open these SEV files?

    Mainly I want to see the bitdepth/framerate/chroma subsampling/encoder informations etc.
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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    It's interesting, that today, when I logged in to Amazon, they have a little section where they sort of PLUG 4K, or at least put it on their site so folks can start getting used to seeing the name....and they give a little description of it. And, supply a link to their own site which shows you which blu-rays currently are mastered in 4K, that Amazon offers.

    As of today, here is what they have listed:
    GHOSTBUSTERS 4K
    THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 4K
    ANGELS AND DEMONS 4K
    TOTAL RECALL 4K
    SPIDER-MAN 4K
    BATTLE LOS ANGELES 4K
    TAXI DRIVER 4K
    GLORY 4K
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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Are those all Sony releases? I bet they are.
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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Not sure - I just went back to Amazon, and that is gone now...must be one of those "floating" adds, or whatever. The link they had only showed what I posted above...but if you do your own search, there are actually more available...odd.

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Quote Originally Posted by GOS View Post
    Not sure - I just went back to Amazon, and that is gone now...must be one of those "floating" adds, or whatever. The link they had only showed what I posted above...but if you do your own search, there are actually more available...odd.
    Yep. They are, but of course that makes sense. They are pushing 4K HDTV you have to push your own movies for 4K.

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    These are not 4K discs, though -- just 1080p derived from 4K masters.

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    Default Re: Why Rallying AGAINST 4K is Stupid

    Oops - seriously? Eh......so what's the point of Amazon having these touted as 4K? Which, they do.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDRiggs View Post
    These are not 4K discs, though -- just 1080p derived from 4K masters.
    Damn! Good call. You are right. I missed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOS View Post
    Oops - seriously? Eh......so what's the point of Amazon having these touted as 4K? Which, they do.....
    To get some would-be ignoramuses to part with their money.

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