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    Once upon a time, before AVRs provided calibration systems, I spent lots of time trying to understand the wiggles of the indicator on my Radio Shack SPL meter. Never again. I had no confidence that I was getting it right, especially for the subwoofer adjustment. I was so pleased when I got a Pioneer AVR that did all that for me. So far as I can tell, the three AVRs I've had with calibration do it at least as well as I ever did it manually.
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    The subwoofer, as many have found, cannot be calibrated with that SPL meter and the test tone. A lot of this is the test tones fault IMO, because just by listining to it you can tell its not steady, and I dunno how we'd expect an SPL meter to be. I like the way Audyssey sets my sub, but not the other speakers. When running the test tone for them, my SPL meter is very steady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post
    Hi jollo,

    Let me ask, how much does a meter and the appropriate software cost? So far I've just been using Audyssey and the microphone included with my Denon, but the results always sound exaggerated to me. If it doesn't cost too much, I'd like to start doing this manually. Any advice?

    Yours,

    David
    Hey David, elwaylite has answered everything you asked already but I'll add this: make sure you take all the measurements Audyssey allows (it was 6 on my Denon) I think the newer ones are 8. Also make sure you use a tripod or rig up something to hold the mic (some people use a broomstick with the mic taped to it then prop it up in a sofa or chair) to keep it as isolated as possible. You only want to take the measurements 2 or 3 feet apart, around the sweet spot and don't take any measurements right against any wall; try to stay at least 12 inches away. One last thing, try to keep your measurements between your speakers, don't get off to the side too much.

    As far as I know, unless you get someone to come and professionally calibrate your Denon, you will be stuck with what Audyssey does. I didn't mind Audyysey so much for movies but for music it was a bit too much for me.

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    I actually got pretty good results using the Radio Shack digital meter.

    Test tones and RS correction values by HomeTheaterShack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruZZi View Post
    I actually got pretty good results using the Radio Shack digital meter.

    Test tones and RS correction values by HomeTheaterShack.

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    Some corrections I used. Im enjoying it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jollo View Post
    Hey David, elwaylite has answered everything you asked already but I'll add this: make sure you take all the measurements Audyssey allows (it was 6 on my Denon) I think the newer ones are 8. Also make sure you use a tripod or rig up something to hold the mic (some people use a broomstick with the mic taped to it then prop it up in a sofa or chair) to keep it as isolated as possible. You only want to take the measurements 2 or 3 feet apart, around the sweet spot and don't take any measurements right against any wall; try to stay at least 12 inches away. One last thing, try to keep your measurements between your speakers, don't get off to the side too much.

    As far as I know, unless you get someone to come and professionally calibrate your Denon, you will be stuck with what Audyssey does. I didn't mind Audyysey so much for movies but for music it was a bit too much for me.
    Thanks, jollo. Okay, I think I should be able to do this up properly. It seems the weak link is the subwoofer because of measurement problems, but luckily my subwoofer came with its own calibration microphone and software, so I should be able to do that by itself, then get the other five channels with the cheapo SPL, right?

    Yours,

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    Dats right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruZZi View Post
    I actually got pretty good results using the Radio Shack digital meter.

    Test tones and RS correction values by HomeTheaterShack.

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    FYI: I don't use Audyssey as I can't stand the fact that I can't change some settings. I only calibrate my sub using a Behringer Feedback Destroyer DSP-1124 (Parametric Equalizer).

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    Bruzzi, fill me in man. That thing is cheap, and it can calibrate sub level properly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Bruzzi, fill me in man. That thing is cheap, and it can calibrate sub level properly?
    Definitively !!!

    The great thing about the BFD is that you can change (cut/boost) "ANY" frequency from 20Hz to 20kHz.

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    Disco/David,

    There is an article in the new HT Mag that touches on speaker calibration, and mentions Audyssey and the Ratshack meter. IMO, AQ is way more subjective than PQ. Many folks threaten your life if you talk bad about Audyssey, and I think it's better than not doing anything. Speakers and a rcvr are a like a display, they aint ready to race outta the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Disco/David,

    There is an article in the new HT Mag that touches on speaker calibration, and mentions Audyssey and the Ratshack meter. IMO, AQ is way more subjective than PQ. Many folks threaten your life if you talk bad about Audyssey, and I think it's better than not doing anything. Speakers and a rcvr are a like a display, they aint ready to race outta the box.
    Hi elwaylite,

    Yeah, I haven't minded my AVR's Audyssey xt32 calibration; it just sets the center channel too low, the sub too high and the AVR crossover frequencies too low for my tastes, all of which I changed by ear, plus it boosts the highs and lows more than I like (you know, like when a teenager gets hold of a graphic equalizer for playing some hip hop). I'd like to try and straighten all this out with greater precision, so the SPL meter looks like a winner to me. I won't even need the AVR for subwoofer calibration at all. That's one nice thing about the Velodyne Optimums--they have their own built-in 7-band equalizers.

    So now I know what my next two fun projects will be: recalibrating my TV using a blackout tent per Kevin's kind instructions and then manually calibrating my sound system.

    Yours,

    David

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    Audyssey does a great job, but I felt the center has always been too low also. Problem is, once you start adjusting trim levels, you are funking up the filters. Bah humbug.

    Using the SPL meter, it's indicated the same thing. Center was slightly lower than fronts. Also, both center and fronts were well above 75db's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruZZi View Post
    Definitively !!!

    The great thing about the BFD is that you can change (cut/boost) "ANY" frequency from 20Hz to 20kHz.

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    Hey bruzzi, is there any reason I cant use something like this on my subs?, http://cgi.ebay.com/Kenwood-GE-1000-...#ht_500wt_1080
    I actually have on sitting in my garage, it goes form 16hz to 32khz. I was thinking since it has two eq's I could split the lfe out of my reciever into the eq, then out of the eq (left to one right to the other) to the subs. I'm thinking if an eq like this would work it would be nice because I could adjust each sub independently.
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    I have used Audyssey on an older Onkyo receiver and then I used MCACC on my Elite VSX-32. The MCACC allows for alot more tweaking afterwards compared to the Audyssey. What I like about MCACC is the on-screen GUI. Really makes everything easier to understand and allows you to make adjustments in the EQ as well as level tweaking. I did like that the Audyssey allowed you to take multiple mic readings instead of just one place. I found also that with both each reading wasn't entirely consistent but was way more so with the MCACC. I got very very good results using MCACC but had to adjust levels afterwords and set my speakers to small. I really like MCACC. In my sake its a bit of an unfair comparison because my Onkyo AVR was alot older and had the 2nd version of Audyssey I believe. Im sure the newest Audyssey has improved much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Disco/David,

    There is an article in the new HT Mag that touches on speaker calibration, and mentions Audyssey and the Ratshack meter. IMO, AQ is way more subjective than PQ. Many folks threaten your life if you talk bad about Audyssey, and I think it's better than not doing anything. Speakers and a rcvr are a like a display, they aint ready to race outta the box.
    I agree. AQ is extremely subjective. Whats crap to one person may be heaven to the next.
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    I just upgraded from a Pioneer 1020 with MCACC to an Onkyo 3008 with Audyssey. The Onkyo gives me better sound, but (so far at least) is more difficult to set up and calibrate. It also cost substantially more and has more power, so I can't really relate the difference in sound quality to MCACC versus Audyssey. As KuroHD says, MCACC is more user-adjustable and provides more means for analyzing and understanding what you're hearing.
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    Default Re: Audyssey Vs. MCACC

    I realize this thread is old but someone needs to revive it lol so here it goes.
    My old Onkyo 805 has XT and the Pioneer SC 95 has mcacc pro. Having said that I returned the Pioneer because it sounded the same as my Onkyo without the eq.
    Audyssey flattens my speakers and subs too much for my liking. I run audyssey let it measure distance and speaker levels, crossovers and then I turn it off and measure with a meter.
    If mcacc pro sounds the same as no eq on my Onkyo why keep it.
    New audio formats aside like Atmos. That's a different animal.


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    MCACC has some flaws. XT was "OK", but XT32 is very good IMO. Ever since moving to preamps with XT32, Ive been real happy, especially if dealing with dual subs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post
    MCACC has some flaws. XT was "OK", but XT32 is very good IMO. Ever since moving to preamps with XT32, Ive been real happy, especially if dealing with dual subs.
    What do you think of the graphs for comparison? Dual subs only. The dark green is XT and light green is MCACC PRO.


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