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    Thats not an amp, thats a transformer. Is it decepticon or autobot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caliberconst. View Post
    Gos this is the amp for you, trust me it will make you the coolest guy on the board!!



    I don't know I think it is all hype, it is only rated at 12,000 watts not sure if that would do it for you or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Whiddon View Post
    Thats not an amp, thats a transformer. Is it decepticon or autobot?

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    Default Re: Are amplifiers worth it

    A dedicated amp is prefered if you put many hours on your av gear.

    The ic chips on modern processors do not like heat, and separating amp from processor fixes this problem.

    Onkyo had many years of heat issues. If you did not put your onkyo on the top of an open shelf or with 10 inches of space above it you where doing good to get 1 to 2 years depending on model.

    Hopefully that problem is a thing of the past, but only time will tell.

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    I can tell you my 809 does not heat it up like my 605 did. It seems better than the Marantz so far.

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    I dunno, I think my Onkyo Pre/Pro produces more heat than my Outlaw 7700 amp!

    I have the thermostat for my AV fans setting on top of the Pre/Pro and not the amp and it kicks on quicker that way.
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    I was told that my Denon on paper does 75 watts per channel and that in reality I most likely get 35 watts per channel instead. Is there a receiver out there that performs according to the specs? I ask because if all the receivers on the market do not put out what the specs say then maybe an amp would make up for the loss.

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    H/K used to, they are either packing a shit load of power now, or are jumping on board with everyone else. Anthem AVR's offer the best room correction around to my knowledge, and rate their amps, as follows.

    Power Output: 2 x 100 Watts RMS into 8 Ohms - Two Channels Driven; 5 x 75 Watts RMS, their entry level AVR starts out at $1,000 and puts out a true 60wx5. I had an H/K that was rated at 65x5 and felt it had every bit as much power as my Onkyo 806 which advertised 135w.

    Do you feel like you need more power? Are you able to achieve your desired volume level with out clipping or distortion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by caliberconst. View Post
    H/K used to, they are either packing a shit load of power now, or are jumping on board with everyone else. Anthem AVR's offer the best room correction around to my knowledge, and rate their amps, as follows.

    Power Output: 2 x 100 Watts RMS into 8 Ohms - Two Channels Driven; 5 x 75 Watts RMS, their entry level AVR starts out at $1,000 and puts out a true 60wx5. I had an H/K that was rated at 65x5 and felt it had every bit as much power as my Onkyo 806 which advertised 135w.

    Do you feel like you need more power? Are you able to achieve your desired volume level with out clipping or distortion?
    I don't think I need more power. It is bad enough for late night I have to listen at moderate levels because of family sleeping but I thught an amp would give me cleaner power.

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    Well an amp would add cleaner power IMO, but at what level?? If you only listen at moderate level's then I am not sure you would reap the full benefits of an outboard amp. I don't think your 1611 even offers pre-outs for use of an outboard amp. Also I am sure you denon must offer a midnight mode of some sorts or night mode.... doesn't it??

    You know now that I think about this a bit more, in ceiling speakers can present allot of issue's IMO. I have always felt like a 5.1 setup using in ceilings just lacked, I mean maybe some better room correction would help you some?? I am not the worlds foremost expert on in wall speakers, but what I do know is that an eq bump at 50hz. and enclosing the backs of them is supposed to help them sound better. Now I know you weren't complaining about the bass, I just thought I would mention that to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caliberconst. View Post
    Well an amp would add cleaner power IMO, but at what level?? If you only listen at moderate level's then I am not sure you would reap the full benefits of an outboard amp. I don't think your 1611 even offers pre-outs for use of an outboard amp. Also I am sure you denon must offer a midnight mode of some sorts or night mode.... doesn't it??

    You know now that I think about this a bit more, in ceiling speakers can present allot of issue's IMO. I have always felt like a 5.1 setup using in ceilings just lacked, I mean maybe some better room correction would help you some?? I am not the worlds foremost expert on in wall speakers, but what I do know is that an eq bump at 50hz. and enclosing the backs of them is supposed to help them sound better. Now I know you weren't complaining about the bass, I just thought I would mention that to you.
    Yes my Denon does NOT have pre outs and I am doing fine with the bass. I might just get the Onkyo TX NR818 and do without an amp.

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    Sound's good! Though at that price range I would look into the Athem AVR's as well!! I hear nothing but great things about their room eq. I would suggest you read this review HERE, so you can get familiar with what the Anthem AVR's are all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caliberconst. View Post
    Sound's good! Though at that price range I would look into the Athem AVR's as well!! I hear nothing but great things about their room eq. I would suggest you read this review HERE, so you can get familiar with what the Anthem AVR's are all about.
    The only thing is for the money the Onkyo has more bells and whistles. Anthem has no THX, Audyssey, DTS Neo X and while it has its own ARC for calibration you have to manually set the speaker difference.

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    Personally I would stay away from Onkyo based on my experiences with them. They may be better now.

    Take a look at the Pioneer Elite stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asere View Post
    The only thing is for the money the Onkyo has more bells and whistles. Anthem has no THX, Audyssey, DTS Neo X and while it has its own ARC for calibration you have to manually set the speaker difference.
    Spending money for the THX badge and it's modes is not something I would go out of my way to do, and ARC is supposed to be much better than Audessey. Look I don't want to steer you away from the Onkyo, but like I mentioned in the other thread, don't buy an Onkyo based only on the badges on the front of it. Like Disco said check out the Pioneers too! There are allot of AVR's out there to choose from, I am just trying to encourage you to check them all out before you purchase something just because it has allot of bells and whistles. In the end if you feel the Onkyo is the best for you then buy it and enjoy it.... It is a great AVR!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by caliberconst. View Post
    Spending money for the THX badge and it's modes is not something I would go out of my way to do, and ARC is supposed to be much better than Audessey. Look I don't want to steer you away from the Onkyo, but like I mentioned in the other thread, don't buy an Onkyo based only on the badges on the front of it. Like Disco said check out the Pioneers too! There are allot of AVR's out there to choose from, I am just trying to encourage you to check them all out before you purchase something just because it has allot of bells and whistles. In the end if you feel the Onkyo is the best for you then buy it and enjoy it.... It is a great AVR!!

    I appreciate the advise! I hear Pioneer Elites are nice receivers too but their calibration does not equalize the sub. I want to continue with an avr that has Audyssey or maybe even try Anthem's ARC. I hear what you are saying sometimes for the money we get lots of badges on an avr and not as much on others and the one that has less badges is usually the better of the two. I am just trying to weight out the options.

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    MCACC is significantly better than Audyssey in my mind. You can't tweak Audyssey.

    And the whole bass EQ thing is seriously just a joke. I've played bass guitar and ran sound boards for 16 years. You can not seriously EQ bass below 50hz. You either have enough bass or you don't, subs are all about proper power for your room and placement. What your floor is made of will also have a huge impact. A basement with a concrete floor under your carpet? The concrete will eat your low freqs. A normal upstairs room a much smaller sub will go further.

    Onkyo sells receivers by out badging other manufacturers.


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    A local retailer for Anthem said he can sell me one new for 862 for the 300 model. Is that a good deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asere View Post
    A local retailer for Anthem said he can sell me one new for 862 for the 300 model. Is that a good deal?
    IMO yes!! Anthem is not the kind of company that offers "deals" or "sales" sometimes dealers will knock 10% off but that is about it, and the price on the 300 is $1,000. Check into their return policy, if it is a good one I say buy it and try it out!! If it is a good return policy then you have nothing to loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caliberconst. View Post
    IMO yes!! Anthem is not the kind of company that offers "deals" or "sales" sometimes dealers will knock 10% off but that is about it, and the price on the 300 is $1,000. Check into their return policy, if it is a good one I say buy it and try it out!! If it is a good return policy then you have nothing to loose. Otherwise, just send it to GOS...he really needs one.
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