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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

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    I recently auditioned a pair of Outlaw M2200's:

    Oppo BDP-105 -> Marantz AV8801 -> 2 channel -> Revel Salons.

    My amp is the Sunfire 7400 lost terribly. The Outlaw 2200 mono were cleaner at the top.
    Perhaps a bit rolled off and had better control over my woofers.

    The Outlaw is A/B/G and the Sunfire is an older design class H.

    I almost never listen to music much above 90DB.
    I am not too fond of the XPA series aesthetics so it comes down to:

    Outlaw 7700 (Bi-aming my mains for bit more power, about $2350 shipped and taxed)
    Parasound A51 (I think I can get on fro approx $3K + shipping)
    Outlaw 7900 ($3700 shipped and taxed, I think this is over my limit)
    Emo XPR-25 ($2k shipped, I worry about this since there are no reviews, Including Audioholics so I wonder if there is some late field testing going on here )

    Thoughts?

    - Rich

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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    I think they are all great amps, if it were me I would save the coin and go with the Outlaw 7700. It is a terrific looking amp IMO. Plus it is right in the middle of the pack as far as price, and you seem to already like Outlaw amps.

    OH and BTW the XPA series looks much nicer with the black trim instead of the aluminum, if that makes any difference to you. Not sure if you had seen any with the black trim but it does make a world of difference. I put the black trim on my UMC-1 and love it.
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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    I found a used Outlaw 7500 for $1100 bucks in perfect condition so I could not pass it up.
    I would have preffered to bi-amp but it is not worth doubling the price.

    Thanks,

    Rich
    Last edited by RichB; 02-26-2013 at 04:20 PM.

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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    Funny that is the amp I am planning on getting! Let me know what you think of it.
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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    Quote Originally Posted by CALIBER View Post
    Funny that is the amp I am planning on getting! Let me know what you think of it.
    I have had the Outlaw 7500 for a week now and I love this amp.
    It runs cool in my open rack.
    I had a problem that was related to my Panamax 5400 surge suppressor introducing hum and making the Sunfire sound harsh.
    I suspected something was wrong when it did the same thing to the Outlaw 7500.
    Once I got rid of that, the Outlaw came to life. No hum and dead quiet and has no problem driving my Revel Salons.

    I made the 6DB gain difference when comparing the Outlaw and Sunfire.
    I preferred the open dynamic sound of the Outlaw. Forgive me for amp speak: but it the Outlaw was seemed a bit more tight, fast, and open.
    It may be that amps sound the same when driven within their limits.
    I think that may not be the case with different architectures.
    Just like each type of display has its own idiosyncrasies.

    So, It came down to the XPA-2 + XPA-3 versus the Outlaw 7400.
    Just judging them on power supply, capacitance, and output devices, the Outlaw is beefer than he XPA-2.

    Heat and power also matter to me and the idle current for the XPA's is 192 watts (96 watts * 2) and I measured the Outlaw at 82.
    The Outlaw in standby 1 watt. My old Sunfire was 40 watts in standby and idle (in other words, it did not do off).

    I would take a look at the Outlaw refurbs, I'll bet the're new anyway and there is free shipping.

    - Rich

    P.S. my Sunfire is now over $1800 on eBay.
    Last edited by RichB; 03-07-2013 at 02:21 PM.

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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    Thanks Rich. Comments like yours are why Outlaw is at the top of my amp list for when I can build my home theater.

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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    Quote Originally Posted by RichB View Post
    It may be that amps sound the same when driven within their limits.
    I think that may not be the case with different architectures.
    Essentially, an amplifier takes an input voltage and raises it to a higher voltage by a fixed proportion. As long as it does this with reasonable accuracy -- which is pretty straightforward nowadays, regardless of architecture (leaving aside things like tube and digital amps, which do require a lot of fussing to get right) -- a rose is a rose is a rose. There are things worth paying attention to, but the supposed "sound" of an amplifier that is not operating in some sort of distress is not usually one of them.

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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Whiddon View Post
    Thanks Rich. Comments like yours are why Outlaw is at the top of my amp list for when I can build my home theater.
    If you want to learn a bit more about the Outlaw amps, you can look that the ATI site (since they are basically the same amps).


    - Rich

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    Default Re: Parasound Halo P 7 Multichannel Preamplifier, A 51 Multichannel Amplifier & JC 1


    My outlaw 7500 developed a bad channel.
    I sent it in for repair and ATI and they replaced the transformers, power switch, 5 resistors, and 10 capacitors for $125.
    I will be doing a session to see how it compares to my Parasound A51, just for fun.

    - Rich

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